Episode 98 – Vaccination: Making an informed decision – Healthy Living

Must watch episode for anyone considering vaccination. Aram and Ruben share their thoughts on why making an informed decision on vaccination is crucial for your health as well as health of our future generations.

9 thoughts on “Episode 98 – Vaccination: Making an informed decision – Healthy Living

  1. For the love of god, if you want advice on vaccinaiton, don’t go to these two intellectual giants for it. Nearly everything they say here is (at best) false, misleading, and at worst, potentially harmful.

    • Hey Doug,
      Thank you for watching our video blog. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and if you’re here to have any meaningful interaction it would be helpful if you provide us with a facts of what exactly was false, misleading or harmful in the information Ruben and I provided. If you ever do so, I would be more that happy to respond. Thanks again :)

      • I’m sorry gentleman, but the burden of “providing facts” is squarely on your shoulders when you make statements like “…for the most part vaccines are extremely unnecessary because their track record proves they have not done their job”.

        Since ther eare so many offensively inaccurate and potentially dangerous claims in your blog, lets just start with that statement of yours above. Which vaccine has not done its job? Measles, Polio, Mumps? Diphtheria? Tetanus? (have you ever seen someone suffering from tetanus? I have. I still have nightmares about it.) How about a child with polio? Thankfully I have NOT had to see that. Maye because the vaccine nearly eradicated the disease from the face of the earth in areas where it was used. How about smallpox? Have you ever had the misfortune of having smallpox? No? Of course you haven’t or you’d probably be dead.

        Clearly these vaccine work, but if you decided to forgo these shots, and are still alive to talk about it, you can thank those of us that did get vaccines for something called herd-immunity.

        • Doug. If you’re here to share your opinion I’ll gladly share mine, as long as we communicate in a respectful manner.

          To each opining there’re at least two sides. If one reads regular news media then you’re correct, vast majority of information is in favor of vaccination and considers it safe and effective. At this point I personally disagree. I don’t base my opinion simply because it was given to me, I research information on both sides and decide for myself what I want to believe and what not. If you’re interested in reference materials for my statements then I’ll be happy to provide you with them.

          The proven fact is that ALL vaccines have side effects. Nobody argues that. There’re thousands of stories about death, disease and disabilities after the vaccination process. Should I start painting you mental images of poor suffering children and adults that were told they will be safe from the disease if they get vaccinated, and instead there were given the disease or maybe even death? What is that? Collateral damage? You don’t feel sorry for them?

          Clearly, we recommend to our viewers to examine ALL the facts, in favor and against and make their OWN PERSONAL INFORMED DECISION based on what THEY think rather then what majority opinion teaches them to think. I respect anyone’s decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate. Making vaccination mandatory takes that right away.

          If you ask me, Herd Immunity is another fallacy. It is a theory with a lot of holes. According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity . Herd immunity thresholds for Diphtheria – 85%, Pertussis(Whooping cough) -92-94% According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 2.1 percent of adults ages 18 to 64 are immunized against tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough. What kind of herd immunity we’re talking about?

          • “If you ask me, Herd Immunity is another fallacy”

            It is not a theory, it is a proven fact. Neither I nor anybody in the medical community is asking you. You are a personal trainer, and probably a good one, but when I want my car fixed, I don’t go to an accountant, I go to a mechanic. When I want to know about vaccine safety, I ask my doctor (who incidentally gives me straight answers and is NOT, contrary to some opinions, part of a secret vaccine conspiracy).

            “According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 2.1 percent of adults ages 18 to 64 are immunized against tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough. What kind of herd immunity we’re talking about?”

            You speak of research, but then you cite Wikipedia as your source. That is not research. Secondly, you are wrong. ~90% of adults were immunized against pertussis and diphtheria as children. Its their waning immunity (the result of failing to maintain current vaccinations) that is precisely cause for concern. Maybe that is why Pertussis is reaching epidemic proportions again?

            http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5926a5.htm?s_cid=mm5926a5_e

            http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/outbreaks.html

            “…If one reads regular news media then you’re correct, vast majority of information is in favor of vaccination and considers it safe and effective”

            I don’t read the “regular media” to debate the risks and benefits of vaccination. I rely on peer reviewed and rigorously validated medical literature, as should everyone. I am sure you are a very well qualified fitness trainer, but please know the boundaries of your expertise, and stop harming people by creating unnecessary doubt about the safety of vaccines that have been subject to EXTENSIVE testing over decades.

    • Bo, Thank you for watching our video blog, as with a previous comment I would be happy to respond if you actually point out on what exactly is so dangerously arrogant about our post. We’re here to answer comments and discuss and we’ll be happy to do so as long as there’re actual facts we’re discussing.

  2. Speaking of peer review literature…
    In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus, which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)
    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a total of 144 people in the United States became infected with polio from live vaccines between 1980 and 1998. While the majority of these were the vaccine recipients themselves, the number includes 51 who contracted the disease upon contact with a vaccinated individual.
    In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated agains smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccinated rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/020…)
    The Hadwen Documents.
    In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don’t Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)
    In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” )

    In the 1970′s a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

    • The February 1981 issue of the JAMA found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

    In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

    To that I will add:

    Scientific medical journals like JAMA fail basic credibility standards; medical journals become increasingly irrelevant
    6/23/2005 – To most Americans, the concept of “nonprofit” goes hand-in-hand with trust. If a person or an agency isn’t driven by money, they seem more likely to be trustworthy and unbiased. They should have the public’s best interests at heart, right? The American Medical Association (AMA) is a nonprofit agency…

    Scientific medical journals like JAMA fail basic credibility standards; medical journals become increasingly irrelevant
    8/19/2004 – The Journal of the American Medical Association — JAMA — and other scientific medical journals have been caught red-handed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest for failing to disclose the financial relationships between study authors and companies that might benefit from such studies….

    Ruben

  3. Hey Ruben and Aram: I must say, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when the doctor or whatever he is stated “that he follows peer reviews” That would be like the mafia hiring one of their own family members to do their accounting! I also think it is funny that he thinks you guys are “personal trainers.”

    Now don’t get me wrong, if I get run over by a truck, I hope there is a western trained doctor on hand to “patch” me up, or if my parachute does not open, I hope there is a doctor there to “fix” me. But, what the good doctor does not want to open his eyes too is the FACT that doctors are the leading cause of death in the United States! On top of this known (hidden) fact, doctors statistically live on average 10 years less than non doctors. Hmmmm so a good analogy of going to a doctor for health would be like wanting to learn how to drive a car and contacting your local insurance agent to find the person that has had the most accidents to teach you how to drive! If I could change one thing about the medical community I would change exactly what Paul Chek said he would change. I would require every doctor, university professor or so called medical expert that lectures about health, to do so wearing only a G-string in front of the audience so that the audience can see how “their program” is helping their body. Do you know how fast we would get rid of so many “experts?” I am absolutely appalled every time I have to go into a hospital (thank god that is a rare occasion) and see the fat, sick, depressed medical staff trying to give other people health when in fact they themselves are the sickest people on the planet.

    If the doctor here wants to follow his “peers” he should start following his peer Dr. John P.A. Ioannidis who has debunked many of the western medicine approaches. Including the biggest farce ever created by the pharmaceutical companies and that farce is that cholesterol is bad for you.

    I never thought I would live to see the day when an article like this would be published in a main stream magazine like Newsweek. Here is a link to the article. http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/23/why-almost-everything-you-hear-about-medicine-is-wrong.html

    Everyone should check this article out. Honestly I would not be surprised if Dr. Ioannidis shows up dead in the very near future. He is ruffling the feathers of a lot of wealthy, powerful people. It is big, big, big business to keep people sick.

    I just wish more people on this planet had the ability to think for themselves and not follow sheep heard mentality, or the “scary” TV and magazine ads that the pharmaceutical companies pay millions and millions of dollars every year to create.

    Dan Hellman

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